![]() 10/03/2018 at 11:22 • Filed to: None | ![]() | ![]() |
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Growing up, my brother played baseball, and my parents were heavily involved in that. They knew all of the other high school athletes and their parents. I know, #notallathletes, but at least 90% of the baseball, football, and basketball players at my high school were scummy assholes. At least half were outright bullies. Based solely on their exploits in sports, my parents and their friends would assume these guys were angels and any slight against them was an affront on goodness itself. They would talk at dinner about so-and-so and how hard they were having it academically and how challenging it is to balance sports and school, etc. Meanwhile, I knew the person(s) they were talking about and they cheated on assignments, paid no attention in class, or were just plain irredeemably stupid. Any protests from me about how much these guys sucked and deserved any hardship they got were quickly shut down. I should note that my brother really was one of the good ones and wasn’t friends with the ones I knew to be awful.
This continues to be a sticking point to this day. Some of the kids they knew have gone on to be professional athletes and my parents will tell sob stories about how many hours they spend on the road or whatever and how hard it actually is to live on a $4M salary , while at the same time talking shit about hard working regular people ( people that are very close to us and doing difficult jobs like nursing or working in restaurants) being “lazy.” Any protests from me usually end up with an uncomfortable silence at best, sometimes an outright argument.
While my discussions with my parents frustrate me, it’s clear that their opinions are mirrored nationwide. My experiences in high school watching astonishingly huge assholes get adoration heaped upon them are hardly unique. I just find it insane the amount of default respect and heroism we assign people just because they’re good at throwing a ball.
![]() 10/03/2018 at 11:54 |
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at least 90% of the baseball, football, and basketball players at my high school were scummy assholes.
This is why all sportswriters are bad people
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:00 |
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Sounds like maybe your parents are jerks.
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That argument could be made. They’ve certainly had their moments.
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Its not sports that are bad, it’s our failure to parent our kids.
Sports writers and fans deify, lionize, and live vicariously though young athletes. At some levels, they make money off them like leeches bleeding a cow until it’s dry. All the while forgiving their transgressions because they mistake talent and proficiency for virtue.
Kids are kids. They will be scummy if we let them and don’t raise them properly, if we don’t hold them to standards of moral and ethical decency.
Sports are good. They teach team work, allow a structure for guided socialization, and generally promote physical activity that the body needs to stay healthy. We just have to learn their place, not warp them into some caricature of a gladiator system.
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:19 |
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“All the while forgiving their transgressions because they mistake talent and proficiency for virtue.”
Exactly. Physical or mental talent is completely orthogonal to virtue. There is absolutely no connection, and yet we fall for it every time.
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Did I play sports all the way through high school? Yes (3 season athlete woop woop)
Did I know plenty of aggressive assholes who did shitty things? Also yes, and they didn’t particularly like me.
Were there institutional biases built around the sports teams? Hell yes. We had drug testing on our athletics teams. I got my name “ drawn out of a hat” almost every month, because they knew I was clean. I was even one of 3 people “randomly selected” (2 years in a row) for my urine to be sent to the Olympic testing lab in California to test for steroids.
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:24 |
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For some reason the soccer team, track team , and swimming team were all filled with kind people. I think it’s the institutional bias you mention along with the popularity of the basketball, baseball, and football inflating those kids’ egos to the point of godhood.
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:25 |
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It seems that the various youth sportsball leagues are the worst. Doesn’t matter which one, there’s always one or more fat, out of shape, asshole parents trying to live vicariously through their children and ruining the experience for everyone .
You know where that doesn’t happen? Motorcycle racing. Got to any track with club racing on the weekend, you’ll see racers aged anywhere from 12 to 70 and there is none of the toxicity exhibited at a baseball / softball game (for any ages) .
Want well rounded children that don’t grow up to be giant sportsball assholes? Buy them a motorcycle. Early.
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:27 |
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Sports reach us to argue in a calm and respectful manner. I’ll have Earl Weaver demonstrate
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:28 |
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But connected to talent is commitment to hard work and success, to making the most of one’s opportunities. That is virtuous, and is the work ethic we strive to instill in our kids, as we should . The problem is that we too easily allow the success itself to become the goal instead of the commitment to its pursuit. That and we place the virtuous work ethic above other virtues and allow them to die on the vine. Lot’s of bad people throughout history worked really hard at their goals, like Hitler, Stalin,...
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:38 |
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Sounds like the stereotypical jock
![]() 10/03/2018 at 12:43 |
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Yawn.
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One of my siblings was a tutor for athletes in a major state college football team. It was a complete joke, juniors who had never learned what a footnote or endnote was as they had never written a paper over a paragraph yet somehow had a b average. It is no surprise at all you get situation like at BAylor of athletes who think they can get away with anything.
A senior person at work cracks me up. he’ll go on about how good of a kid he has, but it’s comical how many times he’s caught them drinking in the weekends. To the point one time the kid called during the day and asked if they could take a bottle of wine to celebrate their soccer victory. Yet this is the same person who will go on about how tough you have to be or they’ll be living in your basement after college.
![]() 10/03/2018 at 13:54 |
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I found nothing about your post about the article that I disagree with.
I grew up outside the US and it wasn’t as much of a thing, but from what I can tell from friends, and family members and wife who did go to HS here, what you’re saying sounds about right.
Especially within the older generation there’s the assumption that if you make a lot of money, then that means you work hard. Perhaps to an extent that was true within their lifetimes. Perhaps it’s true today for many too. But the inverse absolutely isn’t. In their lifetimes it was likely possible to work a basic job and afford to have a home and feed a family. The assumption that this is still the case leads them to believe that well, if they’re struggling they simply aren’t working hard enough, and that’s just ridiculous.
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This is why I stepped away from all sports other than track early in high school.